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Bindian
01-24-2008, 07:14 PM
Here are a few photos of my bumper and grill guard mods. First and second photos show the first mod I did. I added 1/2" strap for more protection and bracing. The 3rd photo is the bumper and grill right from the factory. The last 3 photos show the expanded steel I cut and bent (at work) to fit and had welded up. No more dings in my grill from getting too close to a pile of brush.:cool:
hugs, Brandi

Dougster
01-24-2008, 07:59 PM
Here are a few photos of my bumper and grill guard mods. First and second photos show the first mod I did. I added 1/2" strap for more protection and bracing. The 3rd photo is the bumper and grill right from the factory. The last 3 photos show the expanded steel I cut and bent (at work) to fit and had welded up. No more dings in my grill from getting too close to a pile of brush.:cool:
hugs, Brandi
Now why can't Jeremy make a nice, clean-fitting one like that for my 4110??? :confused: Why have I got to worry about those silly "ears"??? :o

Did you do the welding on that 1/2" strap? Looks professional! :thumb:

Dougster

MtnViewRanch
01-24-2008, 08:58 PM
Looks good Brandi.:cool: I should consider putting some bars in the upper part of my grill guard. I've come close to disaster a few times.:oops: Has anybody thought about why everybodys grill guards need help. Are the designers like most, never done what they design for. In other words, have no idea what they are doing. :soapbox: Anyway, pics look good.:wink:

Bindian
01-25-2008, 09:43 AM
Now why can't Jeremy make a nice, clean-fitting one like that for my 4110??? :confused: Why have I got to worry about those silly "ears"??? :o

Did you do the welding on that 1/2" strap? Looks professional! :thumb:

Dougster
Dougster,
I don't have a welder. The welding shop I use has a guy dedicated to drop in jobs. There are about 25-30 welders there working contract jobs. I never have to wait long. I asked how much after the expanded steel was welded on and he said, "Oh, five or ten dollars". I gave him ten.
What ears are you referencing?
hugs, Brandi

Bindian
01-25-2008, 09:56 AM
Looks good Brandi.:cool: I should consider putting some bars in the upper part of my grill guard. I've come close to disaster a few times.:oops: Has anybody thought about why everybodys grill guards need help. Are the designers like most, never done what they design for. In other words, have no idea what they are doing. :soapbox: Anyway, pics look good.:wink:
Thanks Brian. If I did it over again, I would go with pipe instead of the 1/2" strap.:thumb: I already bent the strap and had to take the sledge hammer to it.:eek: I thought I would have to cut out holes in the expanded steel for the R&R of the headlights, but I think there is room to remove them between the grill guard and the grill. I think the factory grill guard is fine for loading trucks, but working close to brush burn piles, you need everything I put on mine and maybe more. It would be nice to have all the stuff we add to our tractors come from the factory as options.:rolleyes:
hugs, Brandi

Dougster
01-25-2008, 09:58 AM
Dougster, I don't have a welder. The welding shop I use has a guy dedicated to drop in jobs. There are about 25-30 welders there working contract jobs. I never have to wait long. I asked how much after the expanded steel was welded on and he said, "Oh, five or ten dollars". I gave him ten. What ears are you referencing?
hugs, Brandi
Once again... the beauty of living down in the Lone Star state! :thumb: No way anybody up here welds anything anymore for $5 or $10. :rolleyes: And yes, that would even be if I sent my GF in with the part to get the "cute blond" discount!!! :D

The old 4110 grill guard could only be used on a tractor without a front end loader. Since I have a loader, I was SOL. :(

Since that time, KMW has produced a new grill guard for the 4110 that can be used with a front end loader. Unfortunately, it cannot be backfitted onto my machine unless I add some "ears" to the front FEL mount or replace that old front mount with the new "ears included" design. :o

Dougster

Bindian
01-25-2008, 10:21 AM
Once again... the beauty of living down in the Lone Star state! :thumb: No way anybody up here welds anything anymore for $5 or $10. :rolleyes: And yes, that would even be if I sent my GF in with the part to get the "cute blond" discount!!! :D

The old 4110 grill guard could only be used on a tractor without a front end loader. Since I have a loader, I was SOL. :(

Since that time, KMW has produced a new grill guard for the 4110 that can be used with a front end loader. Unfortunately, it cannot be backfitted onto my machine unless I add some "ears" to the front FEL mount or replace that old front mount with the new "ears included" design. :o

Dougster
Dougster,
So you are ear less?:yum::yum::yum:
hugs, Brandi

Dougster
01-25-2008, 10:35 AM
Dougster,
So you are ear less?:yum::yum::yum:
hugs, Brandi
Most folks would say "penniless" and/or "clueless"... but it is a fact: I am "earless" as well. :(

BTW, here are two shots of a newer 2006 4110 showing the new design Front FEL support with the "ears" added for attaching the new grill guard.

Also attached is a shot of the old grill guard on an older 4110 sans FEL front mount.

Dougster

Dougster
01-25-2008, 10:52 AM
Just took a close-up shot of my old style mount so you can see the difference (i.e., with first shot above) and what would need to be added.

Note that this is also where I chain my tractor down in front when transporting... resulting in obvious wear and a little spot rust. It is not clear to me if the tractor could still be as easily and effectively chained down with the new style front FEL mount in place. The hood latch could also interfere with the hefty 3/8" chain if one is not very careful threading it through the mount and front FEL brace.

Dougster

p.s., and NO... this obviously does not meet the Bill6 Standard of Excellence in tractor care and maintenance. :o -d

MtnViewRanch
01-25-2008, 12:22 PM
Doug, this is in no way a put down, but only a reality confirmation.:pat: The Bill6 Standard of Excellence is unobtainable for anybody that actually uses their tractor for more than mowing. We all know that and know that some try, but it is a futile goal.:forgetit: Anybody that uses their tractor professionally has to accept the reality of some scratched paint and rust. Should we say that it is a fact of life whether we like it or not. There is no need for you to be embarrassed to show pics that indeed show that you use your tractor.:wink:

Dougster
01-25-2008, 12:49 PM
Doug, this is in no way a put down, but only a reality confirmation.:pat: The Bill6 Standard of Excellence is unobtainable for anybody that actually uses their tractor for more than mowing. We all know that and know that some try, but it is a futile goal.:forgetit: Anybody that uses their tractor professionally has to accept the reality of some scratched paint and rust. Should we say that it is a fact of life whether we like it or not. There is no need for you to be embarrassed to show pics that indeed show that you use your tractor.:wink:
As an admirer, true believer and dedicated disciple of Bill6 and the Bill6 Standard of Excellence in tractor care and maintenance, of course I am going to be a little embarrassed by paint wear and rust showing on my machine... even if it is at a chain tie-down wear point. I had meant to file, clean and touch-up all of those tie-down wear points before winter, but never got around to it. It's not like I just came off a nasty job yesterday. This is the winter storage condition... and there is no excuse. Clearly, it should have been addressed. :o

Dougster

mobilus
01-25-2008, 01:00 PM
Brandi, another area of concern with brush piles and such is with your tie rods. They're exposed on the front of the axle, like mine were. I had my loader up, pushing over a dead mequite, when I ran into a stump that I didn't even see. :oops:

It looks like yours run closer to the axle than mine, and that may serve to lessen the amount of bend possible. But mine was a mess, and I ended up replacing it. :stupid: I'll take a picture of the "bumper" I made and post it later. I still need to put some expanded metal in my brushguard though. Yours looks good though. :tiphat:

Bindian
01-25-2008, 07:20 PM
Just took a close-up shot of my old style mount so you can see the difference (i.e., with first shot above) and what would need to be added.

Note that this is also where I chain my tractor down in front when transporting... resulting in obvious wear and a little spot rust. It is not clear to me if the tractor could still be as easily and effectively chained down with the new style front FEL mount in place. The hood latch could also interfere with the hefty 3/8" chain if one is not very careful threading it through the mount and front FEL brace.

Dougster

p.s., and NO... this obviously does not meet the Bill6 Standard of Excellence in tractor care and maintenance. :o -d
Dougster,:starbucks:
Just paint the chain wear rust marks. The chain will just wear it again later, but it would look okay now for winter storage. If I had you loader setup, I would poke two holes in your loader mount and bolt a grill guard in. Just a simple rectangle frame with bracing and a grill. You could let it rest on your loader mount. I am sure you could find the steel at Ed's.:cool: I know you won't be attacking some large brush pile with your loader up and ready to dump, so a simple frame and expanded steel should work.
Mobilus,
The tie rod is about 20 inches back from the leading edge of the bumper/grill guard. Also, it goes behind the front axle front pivot mount. When I come up on a pile, I have straight front wheels and "square" with the pile, not on an angle. So my tie rod is pretty much protected. You can see that is so in the 4th photo. You have to remember, my front tires are huge and usually hit the brush pile before the bumper/grill guard comes close. Usually.:wink: Usually it is a large odd stump with strange shaped roots sticking out that are the real threat for the grill.
hugs, Brandi

Dougster
01-25-2008, 08:29 PM
Dougster,:starbucks: Just paint the chain wear rust marks. The chain will just wear it again later, but it would look okay now for winter storage. If I had you loader setup, I would poke two holes in your loader mount and bolt a grill guard in. Just a simple rectangle frame with bracing and a grill. You could let it rest on your loader mount. I am sure you could find the steel at Ed's.:cool: I know you won't be attacking some large brush pile with your loader up and ready to dump, so a simple frame and expanded steel should work.
Believe it or not, the FEL's front brace protrudes a bit on both sides and is quite a grill guard all by itself. :thumb: It has already saved me countless times and mucho hood & grill repair dollars! :D I never really understood why KMW didn't just run some horizontal bars across the front of the front brace... and presto! :) Instant grill guard! :cool:

Or maybe Jeremy knows of some reason why that would be foolish and/or unacceptable. ;)

But back to your other point, I have yet to figure out how to use that new KMW grill guard without buying the new front mount (with the ears) or welding some identical ears onto my old style front mount. I don't see any other good alternative way to do it. :o

Dougster

shinnlinger
01-25-2008, 08:59 PM
Thanks Brandi,

One of these day I am gonna build me a guard for my machine and you may have just infuenced it.

I was always going to put expanded wire on it, but then looked at factory guards and saw that they didn't bother, so why should I? BUt now it appears I should bother. I have redesigned the tihng in my head at least 5 times now.

I will probably put a taller auxliary light mount on mine so the lights shine OVER the bucket not directly into the back of it. For a while it appeared as if Kubota had not considered that CUTs might end up with FELs on them and placed the headlight accordingly. I think they have fixed the problem now, but it took them over 2 decades to do it.

MtnViewRanch
01-25-2008, 09:39 PM
For a while it appeared as if Kubota had not considered that CUTs might end up with FELs on them and placed the headlight accordingly. I think they have fixed the problem now, but it took them over 2 decades to do it.

It's not good to rush into anything you know.:rolleyes: They just wanted to be sure to do it right the 2nd time.:wink:

Bindian
01-28-2008, 03:43 PM
Thanks Brandi,

I will probably put a taller auxliary light mount on mine so the lights shine OVER the bucket not directly into the back of it. For a while it appeared as if Kubota had not considered that CUTs might end up with FELs on them and placed the headlight accordingly. I think they have fixed the problem now, but it took them over 2 decades to do it.
Shinnlinger,
The extra lights should help. Look again at my first photo and you will see how Mahindra tried to address that problem with the 6520/7520. They put two more lights up above the hood. They work okay, but not the best. When I am traveling at night, I have them all on and raise the bucket just enough and angle the bucket so the lower lights reflect off of the bottom of the bucket and shine down more and forward. It isn't the best, but better. The top lights seem to act more like high beams.
hugs, Brandi

MtnViewRanch
01-28-2008, 08:27 PM
Brandi, have you ever tried to drive with the top (cowl) lights only?

Bindian
01-28-2008, 08:41 PM
Brandi, have you ever tried to drive with the top (cowl) lights only?
Brian,
Yes, it seems all the lights are good for in front is driving.:pat: I haven't tried doing any loader dirt work after dark yet. I have filled a few stump holes backdragging, but that is about all. I am installing two flood lights on the back of my canopy for BH use after dark.:cool: That is, as long as the mosquitos stay away.:eek: I should have the wiring finished tomorrow.:thumb: Just backhoe work is fun after dark. The rest can wait until the next day.:waiting:
hugs, Brandi

MtnViewRanch
01-28-2008, 08:55 PM
Brian,
Yes, it seems all the lights are good for in front is driving.:pat: I haven't tried doing any loader dirt work after dark yet. I have filled a few stump holes backdragging, but that is about all. I am installing two flood lights on the back of my canopy for BH use after dark.:cool: That is, as long as the mosquitos stay away.:eek: I should have them wiring finished tomorrow.:thumb:
hugs, Brandi

The reason I asked is that I feel that they are pretty much worthless.:Mickey: I'm going to mount some lights on the front of my canopy and use the cowl light switch. Hey, have you seen the hoes that have lights mounted on the top portion of the stick section of the back hoe. Seems like that would work very good for night time digging.:cool:
Are you still going to Tulare?

irwin
01-28-2008, 09:12 PM
As an admirer, true believer and dedicated disciple of Bill6 and the Bill6 Standard of Excellence in tractor care and maintenance, of course I am going to be a little embarrassed by paint wear and rust showing on my machine... even if it is at a chain tie-down wear point. I had meant to file, clean and touch-up all of those tie-down wear points before winter, but never got around to it. It's not like I just came off a nasty job yesterday. This is the winter storage condition... and there is no excuse. Clearly, it should have been addressed. :o

Dougster

Doug, Doug...to truely aspire to Bill6 standards you'll need to accept the lifestyle of hypermiling. I'm quoting Bill himself here "hypermiling is a hobby that can become part of a lifestyle of efficiency awareness"

..so until you become a "for real" overachiever .. :sorry: you'll only reach poser level... :rolleyes:


http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/11/09/hypermiling-your-fuel-economy-the-greenest-extreme-sport-for-c/

civesnedfield
01-28-2008, 09:16 PM
Doug, Doug...to truely aspire to Bill6 standards you'll need to accept the lifestyle of hypermiling. I'm quoting Bill himself here "hypermiling is a hobby that can become part of a lifestyle of efficiency awareness"

..so until you become a "for real" overachiever .. :sorry: you'll only reach poser level... :rolleyes:


http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/11/09/hypermiling-your-fuel-economy-the-greenest-extreme-sport-for-c/


To heck with hypermiling. I just want to go hyper fast.
HOW TO GO FAST (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22826327/?GT1=10755)
:hide:

MtnViewRanch
01-28-2008, 09:41 PM
To heck with hypermiling. I just want to go hyper fast.

HOW TO GO FAST (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22826327/?GT1=10755)

:hide:

Speed is directly related to how much $$$$$$$$$$$$$ do you want to spend.

Dougster
01-28-2008, 10:30 PM
Doug, Doug...to truely aspire to Bill6 standards you'll need to accept the lifestyle of hypermiling. I'm quoting Bill himself here "hypermiling is a hobby that can become part of a lifestyle of efficiency awareness"

..so until you become a "for real" overachiever .. :sorry: you'll only reach poser level... :rolleyes:


http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/11/09/hypermiling-your-fuel-economy-the-greenest-extreme-sport-for-c/
No poseur here, my friend. As perhaps this website's SINGLE MOST DEDICATED believer and follower of Bill6 and the Bill6 Standard of Excellence in tractor care and maintenance, I can assure you that the two noble activities/concepts of which we speak... The Standard of Excellence and Hypermiling are two distinct and unrelated doctrines. Even though you may see them practiced by the same person(s), there is nothing about the one which precludes legitimate belief in, and practice of, the other. I assure you that I can be a believer and practitioner in The Standard without being a believer and active practitioner of Hypermiling.

That being said, however, I owned a magnificent Ford Festiva for almost 9 years and kept written records of every single drop of gasoline ever consumed thereby. Without any cheating at all, the lifetime average fuel economy for that car was an impressive 42.04 MPG with a record high of 52.6 MPG and record low of 30.4 MPG during a particularly cold & harsh week of winter commuting.

In other words, I do deeply admire Bill6 in his quest for extreme high fuel efficiency... but for better or worse, I am no longer in a good position to practice that noble activity on a regular basis and with a dubious vehicle like the hideous old A.R.E.

Dougster

Dougster
01-28-2008, 10:36 PM
To heck with hypermiling. I just want to go hyper fast.

HOW TO GO FAST (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22826327/?GT1=10755)

:hide:

Speed is directly related to how much $$$$$$$$$$$$$ do you want to spend.
Spoken like a couple of rich guys with real jobs!!! :rolleyes:

Dougster

MtnViewRanch
01-28-2008, 10:54 PM
Spoken like a couple of rich guys with real jobs!!! :rolleyes:

Dougster

Please define REAL JOB for me. I don't think that I qualify for that statement.:tiphat:

Dougster
01-28-2008, 10:58 PM
Please define REAL JOB for me. I don't think that I qualify for that statement.:tiphat:
Okay... a fair point. I retract and restate as follows:

"Spoken like a couple of filthy rich guys... at least one of which holds down a semi-real job!

The other made all his money in Hollywood"!!! :D

Dougster :starbucks:

Bindian
01-28-2008, 11:21 PM
The reason I asked is that I feel that they are pretty much worthless.:Mickey: I'm going to mount some lights on the front of my canopy and use the cowl light switch. Hey, have you seen the hoes that have lights mounted on the top portion of the stick section of the back hoe. Seems like that would work very good for night time digging.:cool:
Are you still going to Tulare?

Brian,
Worthless, but wicked looking head on in the dark! I haven't gave any thought to more light in front. I just went out to look at the Big Red Beast. I think I would like to mount lights on a bracket attached to the loader boom forward cylinder mounting pin. But the pin would have to be longer for the added thickness of the bracket. That way the light would follow the position of the loader and shine mostly on the ends of the bucket. Another spot is inboard on the crossbar cover attach bolts. The cover over the hyd. lines, or make a bracket for mounting lights on the stowed loader stand clip pins. I guess the thing to do is position temp. lights to see how the lighting works best. The Bobcat mini excuvator I rented two years ago had boom mounted light, but only on one side of the boom. What I would like is to have a switch position to just have instrument panel lights on and no other lights........like park lights on a car.
It might get down to a day or two before Tulare to know if I am going. I might have to pay a month's apartment rent for my recently college graduated daughter. With me flying standby, it can go down to the night before, but I think the hotel wants 48 hours notice. Nothing from Mahindra yet on helping with expenses.:unhappy: Like all the posts on this forum and the other tractor forum say about them, Mahindra really doesn't seem to want to listen to the American tractor buying public's opinion.:badidea:
hugs, Brandi

MtnViewRanch
01-28-2008, 11:52 PM
Brian,
Worthless, but wicked looking head on in the dark! I haven't gave any thought to more light in front. I just went out to look at the Big Red Beast. I think I would like to mount lights on a bracket attached to the loader boom forward cylinder mounting pin. But the pin would have to be longer for the added thickness of the bracket. That way the light would follow the position of the loader and shine mostly on the ends of the bucket. Another spot is inboard on the crossbar cover attach bolts. The cover over the hyd. lines, or make a bracket for mounting lights on the stowed loader stand clip pins. I guess the thing to do is position temp. lights to see how the lighting works best. The Bobcat mini excuvator I rented two years ago had boom mounted light, but only on one side of the boom. What I would like is to have a switch position to just have instrument panel lights on and no other lights........like park lights on a car.
It might get down to a day or two before Tulare to know if I am going. I might have to pay a month's apartment rent for my recently college graduated daughter. With me flying standby, it can go down to the night before, but I think the hotel wants 48 hours notice. Nothing from Mahindra yet on helping with expenses.:unhappy: Like all the posts on this forum and the other tractor forum say about them, Mahindra really doesn't seem to want to listen to the American tractor buying public's opinion.:badidea:
hugs, Brandi

Sorry to hear that it is going to be that close of a call for going,:( hope that you can make it. Your tractor light switch doesn't have just a dash & running light position?:confused: Mine does, hey are your rear remotes 4 position with detents or something else. Just wondering if they are the same as mine.:wink:

As far as Mahindra, I'm sure that they are like all the big company's, somebody gets an idea in their head and that is what they do, good or bad. But then I don't need to tell you about big company's, you work for one. Later :wave:

Bindian
01-29-2008, 12:30 AM
Sorry to hear that it is going to be that close of a call for going,:( hope that you can make it. Your tractor light switch doesn't have just a dash & running light position?:confused: Mine does, hey are your rear remotes 4 position with detents or something else. Just wondering if they are the same as mine.:wink:

As far as Mahindra, I'm sure that they are like all the big company's, somebody gets an idea in their head and that is what they do, good or bad. But then I don't need to tell you about big company's, you work for one. Later :wave:
Brian,
When I turn the switch for the "dash" lights on, the white fender lights come on. I don't like them on when I turn the dash lights on at dusk to see the guages. It is light enough to see without headlights, but not to see the guages. The white fender lights just put out enough glare to blind me seeing the sides of the tractor at the front tires. That is all. The white lights on the fenders help seeing as I get on and off, but also attract mosquitos. Guess y'all don't have those out there, just fruit flies. :yum::yum:
Honest quote by a senior co-worker years ago about SWA........."It's the best paying worst job I ever had". Actually, last year SWA send out a questionaire on what the employees felt, but it was all multiple choice with no room for personal comments. I didn't fill it out as it felt "canned". It was done by an "outside" company for SWA.
hugs, Brandi

Dougster
01-29-2008, 08:00 AM
Nothing from Mahindra yet on helping with expenses.:unhappy: Like all the posts on this forum and the other tractor forum say about them, Mahindra really doesn't seem to want to listen to the American tractor buying public's opinion.:badidea:
hugs, Brandi
As far as Mahindra, I'm sure that they are like all the big company's, somebody gets an idea in their head and that is what they do, good or bad. But then I don't need to tell you about big company's, you work for one. Later :wave:
I'm biting my lip and not sayin' nuthin'! :rolleyes: If a certain very large (worldwide) red tractor company cannot see the value of having a certain key owner, blogger and trusted interface with the American buying/owning public at the Tulare show... I just have nuthin' more to say. :rolleyes:

Dougster

Dougster
01-29-2008, 08:11 AM
Honest quote by a senior co-worker years ago about SWA........."It's the best paying worst job I ever had". Actually, last year SWA send out a questionaire on what the employees felt, but it was all multiple choice with no room for personal comments. I didn't fill it out as it felt "canned". It was done by an "outside" company for SWA.
hugs, Brandi
We used to get those too... and I always refused to fill them out. In fact, MOST of us real workers below upper management used to simply throw them away or delete them if sent via e-mail. Any fool could see that the entire structure, questions and canned answers in the questionnaire were devised and slanted to support the views and policies of those in power... and we workers didn't have free time to play games. It was a predestined upper management ego trip... no more, no less. :o

Dougster

civesnedfield
01-29-2008, 04:16 PM
Okay... a fair point. I retract and restate as follows:

"Spoken like a couple of filthy rich guys... at least one of which holds down a semi-real job!

The other made all his money in Hollywood"!!! :D

Dougster :starbucks:

Now what exactly do you mean Semi-real job. I don't know weather that is a compliment or an insult. :eek:

Dougster
01-29-2008, 04:36 PM
Now what exactly do you mean Semi-real job. I don't know weather that is a compliment or an insult. :eek:
People with REAL jobs don't get paid to stay in a luxury hotel and eat lobsta and fillet mignon every night. People with REAL jobs don't get free trucks to use... with a gasoline credit card to boot! People with REAL jobs don't work 3-1/2 days a week and quit work by 3 PM. :D

Do I make my point??? :yum: :yankchain: :poke: :hide:

Dougster :starbucks:

civesnedfield
01-29-2008, 04:38 PM
People with REAL jobs don't get paid to stay in a luxury hotel and eat lobsta and fillet mignon every night. People with REAL jobs don't get free trucks to use... with a gasoline credit card to boot! People with REAL jobs don't work 3-1/2 days a week and quit work by 3 PM. :D

Do I make my point??? :yum:

Dougster


Yea I guess so. By the way I worked until 4:00 today does that count for anything?:cool: :cool:

Dougster
01-29-2008, 04:40 PM
Yea I guess so. By the way I worked until 4:00 today does that count for anything?:cool: :cool:
It entitles you to dessert after your lobsta and fillet mignon dinner tonight! ;)

Dougster

civesnedfield
01-29-2008, 04:47 PM
It entitles you to dessert after your lobsta and fillet mignon dinner tonight! ;)

Dougster


WoooooooooHooooooooooooooooooo

Dougster
01-29-2008, 05:01 PM
WoooooooooHooooooooooooooooooo
Make all the funny noises you want! :rolleyes: Shall we let everyone know that your favorite dessert (after your infamous lobsta and fillet mignon dinner) is Bananas Foster Flambé ??? :chef:

When you are the rich old Edster, first class is the only way to fly! :thumb:

Dougster

mobilus
01-31-2008, 10:39 PM
Here's my bumper add-on. Next, I want to fill in the brush guard with expanded metal too.

Bindian
01-31-2008, 11:10 PM
Here's my bumper add-on. Next, I want to fill in the brush guard with expanded metal too.
Mobilus,
Yep, that is a prime canidate for expanded steel.
hugs, Brandi