Wheel Winch

HMMM! I'd like to see someone whose vehicle is stuck in the mud under a deep puddle or pond (it's happened to me twice already) stick his head underwater to fasten those gadgets to the wheels. At times it's already hard enough to reach a regular winch to unlock it to free spool the cable! Thanks, but no thanks.
 
A lot of work. Would rather have the portable winch that you can move from front to rear.

Better yet, two winches--one forward and one astern. And plenty of tow-rope in the hold--at times there aren't any trees within reach of the cable. When I lived in Kodiak, where in the marshy areas there were no trees, I always carried on my Argo a small Danforth anchor and a small shovel. And plenty of tow rope. When you get stuck where there are no trees or boulders to hook up the cable to, you dig a hole in the mud as far as possible from the stuck vehicle, dump the anchor in the hole, cover it with mud and tamp it down. Then you winch yourself out of the mud. Once you get where the anchor is buried, if you pull it straight up with the winch it will come out of the mud. If it does not you may have to use the shovel and remove the mud on top of it. I don't believe in those metal stakes many ATV riders carry. They tend to tilt and slide out of the mud when you try to winch yourself out of the hole. With the Danforth, the more you pull on it, the deeper it bites into mud or sand, and it's easy to pull it out when the job is done.
Now that I have both the Argo and the RTV I carry the anchor and the tow rope (and other tools) in a bag that I transfer from one vehicle to the other, depending on which one I choose to use. But I must confess that the Argo has been in garage ever since I bought the Kubota.
 
The Danforth is a great thing to have on hand.

I had a chance to drive a Argo last year. What a blast it is in the show.
 
The Danforth is a great thing to have on hand.

I had a chance to drive a Argo last year. What a blast it is in the show.

It is a great toy. But here in Alabama with the tropical temperatures in the summer and the frequent monsoons (a few nights ago we had 4" of rain in a few hours), the cab of the Kubota and the a/c and heater are hard to beat. And the Argo gives you a really hard ride--no suspension except the balloon tires and the cheeks of your butt. Besides, the Argo does not work well on pavement (it eats up the tires and loosens the skid-steering chains) and in order to go to my hunting grounds I had to trailer it. Pain in the neck to load and unload on the trailer. Instead now I drive my RTV on the road (less than a 10-minute drive). If I were to go where I have to cross ponds, sloughs, or slow-moving rivers, though, I'd obviously take the Argo. In Kodiak the other ATV riders had to make a long detour to avoid a beaver pond that had covered the trail to a remote fishing spot. I did not, and motored happily through the water...
Too bad some jerk eventually dynamited the beaver dam and drained the pond--the crossing of the pond was the highlight of my ride.
 
I would take the Kubota over the Argo any day herman48. For sure a better ride and no chains. Them things have miles of chain.
 
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I would take the Kubota over the Argo any ddy herman48. For sure a better ride and no chains. Them things have miles of chain.
Yes, and the chains have to be lubricated and those that control the skid steering need to be tightened several times until they are done stretching. And Argos are a bitch to maintain because everything inside is hard to reach. But the Kubota does not float and move through deep water. Agree with what you say about the ride. Hard on your back. But that's the price to pay for a vehicle that is truly amphibious and can go through soft mud in which a Kubota would get stuck up to the floorboard. In the Kodiak swamp where I built my duck blind I once drove the Argo, loaded with 2x4's and plywood sheets close to the water where I wanted to build the blind. I never noticed how soft the mud was, but when I jumped out of the Argo I sank in the mud up to my calf muscles. Yet the wheels were only 4" deep in it. An Argo, with skid plate, winch, etc. hardly weighs more than a thousand pounds. Its flat, smooth bottom slides on the mud like a sled if it becomes high centered. Of course it can get stuck, but it really takes an effort on the driver's part to do so. Its Achilles' heel are underwater ruts. If the wheels on both sides end up in deep ruts left on the bottom of a puddle or a shallow pond by another vehicle, it will sit on the mud with its wheels churning water. Obviously they can't get enough traction to move it. It happened to me twice, but the friction between its bottom and the ridge of mud between the ruts was minimal, (no differentials, no struts) and both times I was able to get out by hooking up the winch cable to the base of willow bushes. With any other vehicle the bushes would have been ripped out of the soggy ground, but both times the Argo slid effortlessly on the mud and onto solid ground.
Comparing the Argo and the RTV is like comparing apples and oranges. I have both and will choose what vehicle to take out of the garage depending on where I am going. And if it's rained very hard, I'll take the Argo also where I usually go with the Kubota. That Alabama clay is pretty insidious...
 
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