RTV gets stuck moving forward

clinter36

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Hello, I have read lots and lots of great information on this forum relating to the HST and adjustments, etc. I have been reading and messing around with this for a few weeks and have not figured out the issue, so hopefullly you all can help with a couple of ideas.

Kubuta RTV1100 (2011 ish). Hangs in forward - continues forward under just the right circumstances... for some reason this is usually when I make a slow sharp turn around the same tree. You can't force it out of gear, you just have to wait until it slows and rolls back slightly, then you know its fully disengaged. Driving across the field, I test occasionally and it decelerates abruptly indicated that its fine. Every once in a while it sticks, mostly going uphill I think, and when I let off the pedal, it does not imediately decelerate and thats when I know it sticks. If I continue pressing forward while its sticking, it does not seem to want to advance the swash plate and give me more hydraulic ratio, the engine just revs. (thats a guess at whats mechanically going on). The oil has been recently changed (Super UDT) and is possbily a little high but certainly not low.

(I am going to try to use the verbiage /component names directly from the service manual)

My first thought was the servo regulator or servo piston was sticking. I pulled the servo regulator off and inspected it, I did not pull the cap off the end and remove the spool, but it was clean and traveled freely. I also pulled both end caps and the cover off the servo piston and moved it back and forth. I could not figure out how to remove the guide block to remove the servo piston, but it was clean and seemed to move fine back and forth through the small amount of travel allowed by the moment of the swash plate. I put everthing back together to see if by some luck it fixed itself... it did not. I also inspected the forward check and high pressure relief valve. This is supposed to measure in at 38.6-38.7 mm and I am measuring 38.85mm - I did not mess with it at this time as it was clean and otherwise seemed in good shape.

I would love some clarity here, I read much about the dynamic braking valve (the one people replace with the solid aftermarket one) and based on the location and pics, I would think its the same as this check and high pressure relief, but that doesn't seem to make sense. Based on the discription, this valve sets the main working pressure.

oh, and yes, I have adjust the linkages and I can watch the arm of the servo regulator move back to neutral even though I continue moving forward.

Next on my list was to inspect the charge relief assembly, but I doubt that is going to turn up anything.

Also, I should mention that the brake relief valve actuated by the brake pedal is rusty on the outside and appears to be stuck. That is also on my list to remove and clean up but I dont think that is the issue here as it has not moved during all these tests. I am not sure if I am going to dump a lot of fluid as its on the bottom of the transmission.. any insight on this would be helpful.

Any other ideas would be much appreciated...
 
Just for clarity yours is the old model rtv 1100c and is a completely different animal from the rtvx 1100c.
Try putting your machine in neutral engine off on concrete or hard level surfaces and push it by hand. It should roll fairly easy... if it doesn't then you most likely have a brake dragging.
There should be a knob looks like a choke knob on the dash..pull this to relieve the hst pressure and get it out of gear. You get it running right and you can adjust the creep to make things better.
On the top of the transmission there is the hst speed lever that controls the swash servo piston. It should be connected to the peddle via the bellcrank and should hold its position according to the peddle travel. Let me know? Chech the u clamp on both ends of the peddle cable sheath if they are loose and move will cause your problem.
 
NO HST relief knob on the dash (only connected to the brake). BTW, this is a 1100CW9 not sure if that has some variation. I did adjust creep with the rear wheels in the air and it seem to be adjusted fine. Brakes are not hanging its rolls freely. I will double check the cable, but I did check the adjustment and everything seemed fine - no creep. One of the times when it continued forward, I tilted the bed up and watched the speed arm (servo regulator arm) and it would return all the way back (there is a contact switch) yet I was still moving forward. So I am pretty sure that the hang up in internal, but its always possible I was wrong.
 
Sounds like you understand pretty good.
The servo piston is just a two sided hydraulic piston that moves the swash plate with hydraulic power so that you don't have to use foot force on the peddle. When you center the servo piston all you are doing is centering the swash. Sounds like your servo piston is hanging up or has a problem with the control valve that actuates it? The hst speed lever is directly mechanic controlled by the peddle and from there on its all hydraulic. I would get some test gages and test the pressures.
You can add the choke cable back to the releif poppet yourself. In fact it's a good idea to check that relief poppet to make sure it isn't hung up or frozen. That can cause all kinds of headaches so do that first.
 
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