RTV900 impressions after 2 days

Boondox

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I was able to rent a rec model RTV with a dump bed and ATV tires, which
were the essentials if this vehicle was going to be any use on my land.
I have 155 acres on a forested hillside in northern Vermont, of which
about half is accessible via my Honda Foreman 400 ATV. I rented the RTV
to see if it would be able to handle harvesting firewood; moving sand,
dirt and stone; and general cleanup of fallen limbs, mucking the sheep,
etc. I have seven acres clear, with the upper and lower meadows
separated by a wet spot that has been churned into muck by the weight
of my L4630. To the north there is a dirt road leading to the high
point of my property. The road is a 25% grade, and the upper portion is
very muddy right now. To the south is a trail leading to the
springhouse; it is mud under a thin layer of fallen leaves and spotty
grass, but to reach it a rocky stream must be crossed.



First, the chores. The RTV had no trouble handling firewood, sand, and
boulders uphill or down. The dump bed was a dream! Picking up and
discarding fallen branches and stumps dug up earlier in the year has
never been easier. My dogs love riding shotgun, but the RTV can only
accomodate one dog at a time on the passenger seat.



Secondly, the handling. Loved the power steering! Speed and
acceleration were good, that is to say much faster than the tractor.
The RTV was no where near as nimble as the ATV, and because of its
weight it had a bit of trouble with the mud. Where the ATV floats on
top of most muck, the RTV sank right in and tore up some turf. Also,
the OE ATV tires loaded up with clay quickly and spun with only
marginal effectiveness in several sections of my property.



The RTV handled the steep dirt road very well until I reached the muddy
sections. Just like a pickup, even in 4WD the rear end wandered
noticably from side to side trying to get some traction. In the end it
was loss of traction, not loss of power, that forced me to back down
and turn around.



Ground clearance was also an issue. I was unable to cross the rocky
stream to access the south end of my land because of a few boulders
that made it lose traction. I might have been more adventurous if I had
a winch, or if my tractor had the logging winch mounted, but it wasn't
my RTV and I didn't want to risk damage by pressing on. To be fair,
given an RTV and a summer of work I could easily make a bridge over the
stream...



Summary: The RTV is a real workhorse, and for most properties would be
a clear winner. I love the smoothness of the diesel, the familiarity of
the hydrostatic tranny, the grunt toughness that lets it haul heavy
loads without trouble, and that glorious dump bed. I didn't like the
fact that it would be able to access so much LESS of my land than the
ATV.



Maybe I should test ride one of the new Honda Rincon ATVs. With that
much power I could pull one of those double axle dump trailers designed
for use with ATVs. Ahem, decisions!



Pete
 
Pete,

Did you use the differential lock when you encountered the slipping/sliding on the hill?

Regarding the ground clearance and rocky stream, it sounds like I have a similar situation. I try to avoid any rocks/boulders that once I climb over can damage something in the undercarriage. I don't think the ground clearance of a Rincon would be much different. I just use my tractor/loader to move the rocks out of the way as needed to keep the passage open.

I used to use an ATV with trailer for getting firewood out of the woods. I won't do that again... I live in W. PA and it sounds like we have similar terrain (lots of hills). A trailer loaded with firewood can (and will) push an ATV down a hill. Not sure which trailer you're looking at but I'm going to bet that once loaded it'll out-weigh the ATV. That can cause significant pushing and the ATV (being relatively light) coupled with its braking power still may not have enough to keep things in control. Especially true on slick or leaf covered trails.

A couple of the main reasons I went with the RTV over any other UTV is its cabability for processing firewood. It has the best engine braking capability as well as load capacity for getting the wood out. All my firewood is carried downhill and I haven't found another ATV or UTV that can do it as safely while carrying a load.

Brian
 
Thanks, Brian. I was hoping you'd respond. I saw your other post about
the tires as well. You hit on two of the major deciding factors for me.




We have had an exceptionally wet year. There was a week when the meadow
started to dry, but then the rains returned. Unfortunately, the soft
spot is right where I have to traverse in order to access any part of
my land. If I didn't have a water line somewhere in the general area I
would have used the excavator to promote drainage. Without knowing
where the water line is, though, that's not a viable option. So this
year I was forced to deal with the muck, and of course once it's
stirred up it stays that way till vegetation takes over again. So
basing my decision on present conditions isn't the most realistic. And,
like I said somewhere, a decent set of tires would have given me a
completely different impression.



The braking effect of that hydrostat is phenomenal, and is one of the
features I really like about the RTV. I had the dump bed overflowing
with gravel going down a steep hill and the RTV stopped in its tracks
the moment I took my foot off the pedal. Having had a few wild rides
while hauling wood with the ATV I can definitely relate to the safety
aspect!



You've mentioned in other posts that your 25" tires are actually quite
a bit larger than advertised. I'd be worried that every time I loaded
up the RTV those tires would scrape...



Pete
 
Pete,

If/as I recall correctly, you've just received your areas wettest (most rain) ever. Is that true? If so, I don't think any machine from a little ATV to your 4630 could get anywhere without making a mess. If the same were true here, I'd be doing as little as possible.

Is a culvert pipe (12-15") then covered with fill an option to get you over that wet spot?

Yes, the 25" Bighorn tires actually stand 26.5" tall. I have one spot on my property where I was getting a rub. I have to be fully loaded with firewood in the back, pointing down a steep hill into a hairpin turn to get a rub on the front tire. I did put the 2" lift kit on mine which fixed the problem but I wouldn't recommend anyone lift their machine before trying it for awhile first. I say this because you're raising your center-of-gravity.

Brian
 
Brian -- I wish it was that simple, but the wet spot is about 40 yards
in diameter and stretches from the side of my garage to the
boulder-strewn creek. It's at the center of the four quadrants of my
land, so to go from the upper pasture to the lower, or from the
northern forest to the southern, I have to pass right thru the middle
of it. It's so troublesome I've considered digging a trench right thru
it all the way to the creek and backfilling it with stone and sand to
encourage drainage...but that's a LOT of work and stone.



The ATV with its light weight is the only thing that can cross that
section without leaving ruts, and then only if it's not carrying a
load. Bummer, huh?



The Bighorn tires sound interesting, but if I manage to talk my wife
into getting an RTV I suspect I won't be able to spend any more money
till the year 2020!



Pete
 
That is a bummer on that crossing...

[quote user="Boondox"]The Bighorn tires sound interesting, but if I manage to talk my wife
into getting an RTV I suspect I won't be able to spend any more money
till the year 2020![/quote]
Maybe Mrs. Boondox is more observant than Mrs. Zoom but I've put all kinds of things on the RTV and she never noticed. When I put the bighorns on, I also put some chrome rims on. She didn't even notice...
 
That is a bummer on that crossing...

[quote user="Boondox"]The Bighorn tires sound interesting, but if I manage to talk my wife
into getting an RTV I suspect I won't be able to spend any more money
till the year 2020![/quote]
Maybe Mrs. Boondox is more observant than Mrs. Zoom but I've put all kinds of things on the RTV and she never noticed. When I put the bighorns on, I also put some chrome rims on. She didn't even notice...
 
Pete,</P>


I'd say you foundtwo annoying weak spots of the RTV900 right off the bat. The light rear end in slick spots and the ground clearance. </P>


I find the wandering rear end worst in snotty to muddy twisting trails -even with the 4WD engaged - and I'm reticent to drivemore than 20 feetwith the differential lock engaged. I do admit that I use non aggressive tires because the ATV types were murder on wet spots. I have 130 ponds and it's wet everywhere all the time.In my case my4310HST with the wide (not turf) semi-ag tires is easier on the ground than the RTV. I don't know what the actual ground pressue is for the RTV but I bet it's high. There is something in this site that makes reference to using the wheels and tires off a BX Series compact lawn tractor. I might try that option in the future to lower the footprint pressure. </P>


The ground clearance is most an issue when I hit a hole, like acaved inmuskrat den depression. You get a jarring jolt right up your spine when you hit the end of the suspension travel. (Something that Kubota never states anywhere is their suspension travel...) </P>


The only other issues I have had is getting the thing out of gear and 4WD. We had a problem with the severe fast stopping characteristic of the hydro but we didthe Kubota dealer modification and it's a lot better now. The 2006 models have dump valve to ease the problem. </P>


One plus thing that you didn't mention is that this thing is really great on fuel consumption. I thought my gauge was broken at first. It sips the fuel compared to the E-TVCS engines - and they're good on the fuel to start with. </P>


All in all it's a decent investment especially if you have other equipment to handle the other chores. </P>


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Doggman -- I heard about the rear tires and rims off a BX1500 fitting
and asked my dealer about it. He asked his dealer buddies and found one
up in Quebec that had done that at a customer's request. It worked very
well till he was coming down a hill with a full load and made a turn.
Not sure of what air pressure he was running, but the sidewall was
damaged and the tire ruined. Still sounds like they'd work in the back,
though.



I'll probably go with the ATV tires and replace them with something
more aggressive when they wear out. Maybe something on 14" rims. I also
read an evaluation of several ATV tires in muddy conditions and very
few of the all terrain types like the Bighorns were able to handle it.
They loaded up and spun, which is exactly what I fear.



Still torn between an RTV and a big ATV like the 700 Grizzly. But that dump bed is awfully nice!



Pete
 
Pete,</P>


You might check out a Polaris Ranger XP if you're looking at the Honda. That was mysecond choice.It seats 3 and has a ton of storage capacity. The high center feels a little weird but I never hear of anyone rolling theirs. The RTV900 had much better low speed characteristics which I needed. And the XP will do 50 mph if you need the speed and have plenty of gas money. Since I don't live at the King Ranch going50 wasn't important to me... </P>


You're right about the dump bed. The Kubota has never failed to carry a load anywhere I've tried. I'vetowed an 18' trailer loaded with a thousand board feet of lumber in highrange on agravel roadand it didn't complain other than it put the cooling system to the test - which it passed. It was a little greasy in the turns but it stopped straight so it was never a problem. </P>


I was going to sell it but I kept my old 6X4 Gatorand use it ifI have to work around the ponds in really wet weather conditions.Itfloats over the snotty stuff instead of digging through it and doesn't leave ruts. But it's about as basic as you can get and has zero creature comforts. </P>


MyShetland Sheepdogslove riding in either one. I can squeeze both of themin the front seat of the Kubota but one of them has to help me drive.But thenI get an ear full from my girlfriendabout having to ride in the back by herself...</P>


Craig</P>
 
Craig -- Ha! You hit on one of the major reasons I want a side by side!
When my six year old golden, Tuppence the Wonderbitch, was just a pup I
tucked her into my vest when riding the Honda and even after she grew
up it was an experience she loved. She'll park her buns on the seat
right in front of me with her front paws on the fuel tank and off we
go! Last January we brought home a little field golden pup named
Tadcaster. He also rode in my vest as a youngster and now that he's 90
pounds he still insists on riding with me...but he doesn't fit so well.
With the rented RTV they both sat down right next to me and enjoyed the
ride as long as one of them didn't decide to lay down across the seat!



Pete
 
I too have seen the BX tires on an RTV (but don't recall where).
A couple things about doing this:
1. You're probably going to need to do all 4. If you don't, you may have issues in 4WD due to different tire heights from front to back.
2. They're awfully wide. I believe they stick outside of the fenders. If you come close to bottoming out, you may be rubbing (or destroying) your fenders/wheel wells. A lift kit may be required.
 
I'd love to see a picture of the BX tires. Like the other poster said, I am sure the tires can't handle the lateral forces from pulling turns at high speeds. </P>


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[quote user="MessickFarmEqu"]

I'd love to see a picture of the BX
tires. Like the other poster said, I am sure the tires can't handle the
lateral forces from pulling turns at high speeds.[/quote]

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I found one pic of that online, but can't remember where. Either
here or Tractorbynet. It was a front view of an RTV with the BX tires
on front, but it was parked in a garage just looking pretty. They did
stick out quite a way, so while it looked like it could lighten the
footprint, I had some concerns about clearances and its ability to
handle heavy loads with shoes like those.

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