Best Property Defense Weapon for Wife at Barn

Dennis,</p>


Yes, on the slug, Yes, on the 00 buckshot .....</p>


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Great choice - slugs will be fine with the right choke - don't know if you will be able to find double 00 in a factory load, but a reloader could make you some. For most varmints I use #4 lead and it reaches a long way. In 3 inch try some #2 steel - we use that load for flying ducks and sometimes we are suprised by how far they carry. You will have capability to have five shells in the gun - would recommend 4 with first two of #4 lead and then two #2 steel, or slugs for real long shots - slugs are not real easy to hit on a target after about 40 yds, but they are still carrying the BACON!!!</p>


Jerry</p>
 
OK Jerry, Jamie and others</p>


Let's talk slugs vs. shot out of the same gun. </p>


Personally, I don't shoot shot out of a slug gun so I don't ruin the rifleing of the barrel. Also, doesn't a rifled barrel turn the shot pattern into a donut shape with center target taking the least hits?</p>


I don't shoot slugs out of a shot (smooth) barrel. They don't seem to be accurate. Also, if you have the wrong choke, aren't you at risk of ruining something?</p>


I don't shoot a lot of slugs (since I'll grab a rifle if something big is going to be hit). I have some slug guns but most of my shotgun usage is using shot shells.</p>


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I never, and will never, shoot shot out of a slug barrel . But, will shoot rifled slugs out of a smooth barrel, never had a problem with that. Always seemed to be accurate for me. </p>


And back then, if buckshot was used, when hunting deer,it was used in a older shotgun. Shotguns with no screwinchokes ....</p>


I have not huntedDEER with a shotgun in 25 plus years. But, have hunted other . ( nowuse rifle or pistol )And then, only when I was invited to a club of men that they only hunted with shotguns. And then, would rather shoot the slug, for with buckshot, there was always that chance of a pellet hitting the " gut " . And we all know what that is like !!!! </p>


Now with the " special " shotguns, made for defense, one can use slug or buckshot >>>> myself, theenforcement shotguns on our place has # 1 (& / or ) 00buck >>>></p>


Work much with the Sheriff's office & local Police, and the shotgun Iuse there, is a Remington 870P Max.I personally own two. And like them very much. They serve their purpose very well .</p>


I would suggest if getting a shotgun for defense. if that what is going to be used for. It DON'T have any chokes, that would be perfect for buckshot / ( and / or ) slugs >>> ........ also,a hunting shotgun will kill a intruder just as fast. But working in halls, tight places, etc . etc ..... the 18 inchers are much better to deal with, when it comes that time !!!!</p>


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i have heard that shooting shot out of a rifled barrel will make a bigger pattern. i have never tried to test it because i don't have a shotgun witha rifled barrel but have had other tell me it will throw a bigger pattern with the rifled barrel</p>
 
I have never shotslugs out of a rifled barrel, nor shot out of a rifiled barrel - I only have smooth barreled shotguns and have shot slugs thru barrels with chokes.We usually used modified or improved barrel when using slugs. When shooting shot we never useFULL chokes as they seem to cause "flyers". When Tommy askes about a bigger pattern, I think they must be seeing the flyers on the target paper they areusing - not good for a close pattern. We often use shotguns at night to hunt coyotes - we set up a pen (with sheep)that is close to a stack of hay bales and when the coyotes try to sneak in we shoot them with 10ga, 3-1/2" Mags loaded with #2 lead shot. Since the 10ga kills at both ends we don't like to miss and have to shoot more than one time. One thing about slugs that I don't like is they don't stop when they hit the ground and can end up a long ways from where you were aiming. Jerry</p>
 
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Take a moment and read this >>>></p>


http://www.internetarmory.com/shotgun_ammo.htm</p>


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[/quote] Thanks for the information Two Guns, I thought bird shot and buck shot were more similiar.Now I know diffferent. I found a 20 g Mossberg Maverick with a synthetic stock for $169 on the Academy .com web site. Can a person still order hunting weapons or has that right been taken from us by the gun grabbers? Thanks , Bordercollie </p>
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Can a person still order hunting weapons or has that right been taken from us by the gun grabbers? Thanks , Bordercollie[/quote]</p>


You have to get it through a FFL. You fill out the form(s), in person, and they call it into the FBI's NICS for a quick background check. This normally takes a few minutes but isn't bad. Once approved, the dealer collects fees for the feds and themselves (which normally ranges between $10 and $25).</p>


Now, if you order from someplace like you listed, they (whomever you order from) normally tack on a $25 or more fee as well. They won't ship directly to you. You have to supply them a dealer where you want to pick it up. Your dealer then has to get a copy of their FFL to the sender. Once received, the sender mails the gun to your dealer. On receipt, your dealer lets you know its in the store.</p>


In general, if you order a gun online, add about $40-50 to the price. Unless it's something unique, I find it easiest to ask my local dealer if he can order me whatever it is from his distributor and save all that processing. They may tack on a few $ in profit but the price comes out about the same and you've benefited the local guy since he got the profit instead of some huge warehouse company.</p>


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Thanks for the information.. Gee-- how sad-- but at least we can still buy them locally somewhat easily ......... Remembering the good ole days.................Sears Robuck catalog etc. order anthing even a plow or squirrel gun.. Nothing like it anymore........... Bordercollie</p>
 
Thanks for ALL of the advice and thoughts GUYS..............</p>


Went yesterday to the local gun dealer, a pawn shop of course to pick up:</p>


http://www.galleryofguns.com/Genie/Default.aspx?item=NP1-2S1&index=1&mfg=Harrington+%26+Richardson&mdl=All&cat=2&type=Shotgun&cal=20+Gauge&fin=All&sit=Bead&pid=&inv=</p>


Was easily within my $200 budget. Easy process through the internet and local pick up. No problem what so ever except the small wait while getting the government OK. The dealer was happy to get his very small cut and NO resentment that I didnt buy one of HIS inventory.</p>


Took it out of the box with various accessories included and was VERY happy with the balance of the weapon and overall finish. Small for me. Maybe 4 or 5 inches of pump to cock it or cycle a round. Should be really nice for a woman. NOT gonna actually run any rounds through it till after Christmas and my wife will be the first to go through BOXES of shells.</p>


Yes, she is very familiar with weapons. On a regular basis we go up to the top of our mountain where the county has a gravel pit next door. Excellent range for up to 400 meters. Anyway she had a permit for many years and carried our S&W .38 Chief in her purse as she went into some shaky areas. For me though a pistol is great for 10 feet away but further than that one needs something a bit more potent and accurate. Anyway, she IS NOT intimidated by the noise or the power of the weapon. She is as familiar with zeroing in the 22 scoped rifle or M1 as she is on putting a coffee can out at 30 or 50 feet and going as hard as one can at filling it with holes as it moves with the 22, M1, 12 ga. pump winchester and NOW her 20 ga pump. Yes, she will go through MANY rounds to become familiar with the quirks of this weapon, just as I do. IT HAS TO BE SECOND NATURE..........</p>


Yes, being made in China really does bother this old Cold War warrior. A comparable NEW weapon from a manufacturer here is easily many dollars more. HARD to rationalize what to do about my personal buy American ethic and hypocracy.........The deed is done and I KNOW that she will be THAT much safer when down at the barn by herself. That's the whole purpose and again...........Thanks GUYS.......God Bless.......Dennis</p>
 
i wouldn't worry about the china thingi think it is winchester that is outsourced too. and it don't matter where you buy it from an american is still getting employed by you buying it. the ships get work shipping it the dock hands get work unloading them and the american truckers get work from hauling them and then the stores get work from selling it. so when you bought that china made gun you really saved a few jobs in the process and i'm sure all the people it trickled down to are really happy you bought it.</p>
 
The all around best PD weapon is the Taurus 45 long colt, which will handle the 410 shotshell. There may only be 3 buckshot pellets but that would be enough to deter me.</p>
 
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The all around best PD weapon is the Taurus 45 long colt, which will handle the 410 shotshell. There may only be 3 buckshot pellets but that would be enough to deter me.</p>
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To say the Judge is the best is disputed by many. First, it's out of the price range Dennis gave us. In my tests with the shot shells, the pattern widens out so much that hitting your target beyond about 5-7 yards may not happen. With the 45LC's, it will but at that point, most revolvers and semi-autos in the same (or similar) calibers will do just as good, if not better. I use my Judge for close-up varmints and in the truck for a quick grab (but have my 1911 on my hip).</p>


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alot may disagree but people need to start lookin into the highpoints they have the best warranty in the gun market and they are very reliable and if you want to reach out and touch a yote at 50 yrds the carbine will more than satisfie you. and if you leave it out in the barn and it does get coroded just send it back to the highpoint home and they will completly redo the gun from top to bottom and send it back to you with new mags and everything. i have all but 1 of thier gun and i'm wiating for the .45 carbine to be released so i can get that one too.. now i have more pricier guns but the highpoints are so much funner to shoot . another good thing is the weight they have a bit beafier weight to them and the .45 is really nice because it has very little recoil. my highpoint will out shoot my taurus .45 and my9mm highpoint will outshoot my glock. the best part about the guns is when i take my friends out to shoot some of their lady folks will flinch and some have dropped the gun afterit fires because of the recoil. if they drop my glock or other high dollar guns i am left their to pay for repairs but if they drop the highpoints well i just ship it off or call and let them know what parts i need and they will send them out to me. everyone of their guns can be bought for under 250.00 all the pistols are under 200.00 and the carbines range from 250.00 for the ts model and under 200 for the regular carbines.</p>
 
Guns are like a good PU, woman, or oil - everyone has their own tastes. I have a number of guns that I bought because they were what I wanted - some I have sold or given to someone, others will be with me till I die. When someone asks about a firearm, I will give them a recommendation or let them try one of mine. When a new gun comes out I wait until someone buys one and has used it so that I can get a recommendation from them. I did this when I bought my JUDGE and that is now my Kubota gun - it is always on the K. I also have a 22-250 in my scabbard on my K - my wife loves to shoot the 22-250 for varmits. Jerry</p>
 
Now somebody is talkingabout what I love to talk about >>> the 22-250 </p>


My first came into my life in the early '70's, now, I have many rifles in that caliber.</p>


In my opinion, don't come no better.... we all have bigger , smaller , shorter shooting, longer shooting rifles in different calibers>>>> but that caliber, the 22-250is my favorite of all .... Then, there is the .264 wincherster magnum. But that will come up one day on another post .....</p>


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I also own a number of 22-250's - when we hunt prairie dogs you need to have at least two to allow for cool off time. We normally carry 800-1000 loaded rounds for a two day hunt.</p>


My canon is a 35 Whelen which is considered the original "wildcat". It isprobably the best killing machine thatI have ever owned. Jerry</p>
 
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