Diesel System Lube

TWO GUNS

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Please save yourself $$$ and troubles.
ALWAYS add a additive to your RTV, or any other diesel.
You have got to give your fuel system some lubercation, it is the heart of your diesel engine.
Do not use ANY gas burner additive.
*** Staybil is not a diesel additive
*** Cetane boost is not a additive
There is several good additives on the market. We use the Stanadyne product. For they make injectors and pumps, have been for years. They know what injectors / pumps needs.
Get in a situation and can't find a additive. Until you find it, you can add
Two-Stroke oil in your diesel until you find a quality additive.

The Stanadyne brand, only cost a few cents per gallon. Our RTV's hold only about 8 gallons. So it don't cost that much to add. But you got to add it !!!!

PAY NOW, OR PAY LATER >>> You have to do this to keep your machine going now they have done changed the sulfur content in ALL diesels !!!
 

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i know a lot of the guys running the 6.0 ford diesels who are putting 2 stroke oil in the fuel to add to the lubricity of it.a lot says it helps keep the injectors,pumps lubed,with the low sulfur fuel,there is very little lubricating properties in it with the removal of all the good stuff that the government says is bad for the environment,BUT here is the kicker, the dpf filter is a filter which catches all the carbon and soot particles,when it goes into a regen it BURNS them out of the filter and puts it into the atmosphere.hmmm,intresting thought,huh!
 
Stanadyne is a leading manufacturer of diesel fuel injection and filtration systems for the automotive, construction, industrial and agricultural vehicle and equipment markets.
They are the only ones in the world that are made by a fuel injection systems manufacturer........
This is the reason I use Stanadyne Fuel Additive.
Personally, we use the Lubricity Formula.
They made several others, some for winter, some for performance ( which I don't need any of them on our RTV), and they make one that covers all.....
Maybe if we was up north, we would use one or the others, but down here,
we can't hardly get a frost .....:tiphat:

Cost is nothing.
Think I give 7$ for a bottle that will take care of 125 gallons of fuel.
That is only in the ruff, 6 cents a gallon to treat, that is less that 50 cents
a tank full to take care of your RTV ....
 

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There was a post that gave a link to an independent test as to the lubrisity propertys of different additives. I think it was 2 or 3 months back. I looked but did not find it.
 
YEAH, I posted that when all you guys were hot on Marvel Mystery oil.
I use Optilube also on all my Tractor & RTV 1100.
Door Gunner..
 
I just got some BP PREMIUM DIESEL and they said they have had no problems with it and all I have used in 7 years with no trouble...unless they dont no what they are talking about which would not surprise me. Were you get Stanadyne brand?....cant hurt I guess.....
Art
 
Well I get the red diesel which is for offroad use farming so is that different than the road use.....would thing so?.

Art
 
Google search it and you find out....hell I don't know now....sulfur content regular ultra low sulfur diesel is 15ppm. off road, no tax, red diesel what ever you want to call it has 3000ppm.

I'll do more looking and get more confused.....lmao.


Art
 
" I have recently purchased a M670 Super diesel, what if any additives do I need to use to replace the removed sulphur compounds in modern fuel, also what service life can I expect from the rosa/master injection pump? "


What followed are some interesting replies:

" It is not the lack of sulfur that reduces the lubricity. When the sulfur is removed, the process takes away the lubricity. Sulfur can react with your crankcase oil and break it down and cause corrosion. Just don't look for high-sulphur fuel, thinking it is better. "



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" I understand red (off-road) fuel has more Sulfur in it than green (high-way) fuel and the sulfer is used by farm equipment as a lub. I have been told not to use green fuel in my tractors because of that. But if you must use green fuel add 1qt of transmission to about 20 gal of fuel. "

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" The injection pump will give many hours of service. But anything can wear out. "

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" At one time the quality of diesel fuel was determined in part by its sulfer content. Cat warned against the use of fuel with a high sulfer content, the sufer would cause all types of problems, such as mixing with water, which formed sulfuric acid. As time went by the demand for diesel fuel increased to the point where the overall sulfer content of most all diesel fuel was at a high level. To cambat the effect of sulfer higher quality of oil was developed. Several years ago the FED. GOV. mandated the use of a cleaner burning low sulfer fuel,there was not enough high quality fuel to go around so a new fuel which we know today as low sulfer was developed,I have seen it harm some rubber parts but seems to run fine in most tractors,it also tends to be cleaner than most HS fuel, cost more though. "

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" Many truckers complained that the "new" fuel caused premature injector pump failure. Do not know if this is true or not. I have added upperlube additives to my diesel fuel for twenty years to help lubricate pump and injectors and will continue to do so. It is an inexpensive insurance on a large investment. [Earlier Post] is correct, if you don't have a regular additive a quart of auto trans fluid works just fine. Thats what the truckers were putting in their fuel. "

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" Sulphur, I understand your situation. Sulphur has its pluses and minuses. If any mositure is around it reacts with water and makes sulfuric acid. Very bad for the engine. You can get the old diesel fuel. The railroad lobbied the GOV. to keep it available. It can still be burned off Highway, on farm. The red may be high sulphur but not guaranteed. Diesel fuel is available with additive that increases the lubricity. The ATF solution seems ok. I use Dextron III not type F. Type F has stuff in it that make it engage clutch packs faster, its rougher. The estimate life of a Roosamaster is around 70,000-100,000 miles on a 6.2 L diesel PU. At 60 mph make just over a 1000 hrs. Keep your filter changed and keep the water out of the fuel. "

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" Use Stanadyne (manufacturer of Roosta-master pumps)"Performance Formula" additive and it will take care of lubricating the pump as well as a number of other possible problems. Generally have to go to a injection shop to get it. Or try www.dieselpage.com. After paying to rebuild a Roosta-Master twice, I use it religiously. Every diesel/injection mechanic I've talked to recommends it. "

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" I work for a Case Dealership in So. Calif. The green hiway diesel has a tax on it , the red does not... same fuelwith a dye. We have over 900 diesel engines in our fleet of Champ forklifts, Case tractors , and J.Deere powered Air compressors Perkins and Deutz are also in the fleet. WE use NO additives of any kind in any of the fuel, and many of the engines have over 3000 hours on the original pumps. Just keep the water out!! Change those Filters!!!!!! "

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This information was gathered at the Tractor Talk Discussion Board.

Art
 
I just got some BP PREMIUM DIESEL and they said they have had no problems with it and all I have used in 7 years with no trouble...unless they dont no what they are talking about which would not surprise me. Were you get Stanadyne brand?....cant hurt I guess.....
Art

Try this:
http://www.stanadyne.com/view.php?id=44

or
Stanadyne ( Contact #'s )
Phone: 860-525-0821
Fax: 860-683-4500
 

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Well I get the red diesel which is for offroad use farming so is that different than the road use.....would thing so?.

Art

The diesel fuel is the same. The color " RED" is to mark it for farm use.

The "GREEN" is taxed for the state.
( This is how the DOT catch the truck drivers that use the NO ROAD TAX Fuel )

Don't know about the diesel fuel in the states up north. But down here in the
south. ( Which I believe it the same everywhere in the U.S.A.)
The fuel properties are the SAME. Sulfer is the same.

Now, I received this knowledge from a close friend who owns a big fuel supply company. They put "Red Die" in the Farm Fuel at the bulk plants. But
the quality of the fuel does not change, it is the VERY SAME as the road "TAXED" GREEN FUEL issued to road use.
Now, bet you didn't know this.
Ethonal >>>>
Is a additive. It also is put in the fuel at the bulk plants. Makes fuel go further in measurement. ONLY the fuel stations that specifically ask for NON-ETHONAL FUEL, will recieve it.
We, (all family & most in our small community) run only the Non-Ethonal gasoline in our gas engines. Now, if one goes out of town and needs fuel, we can't help it, but DON'T let Ethonal fuel stay in a tank, burn it out, remove it somehow, but DON'T let it sit dormant for over 20 plus days, Expecially in carberated engines.
 

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" I have recently purchased a M670 Super diesel, what if any additives do I need to use to replace the removed sulphur compounds in modern fuel, also what service life can I expect from the rosa/master injection pump? "
You need to add a lubricity additive, don't matter who makes the pump or what injectors you run.


What followed are some interesting replies:

" It is not the lack of sulfur that reduces the lubricity. When the sulfur is removed, the process takes away the lubricity. Sulfur can react with your crankcase oil and break it down and cause corrosion. Just don't look for high-sulphur fuel, thinking it is better. "
The only thing I can reply to on this is,
"YEP, PUT ON YOUR THINKING CAP"

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" I understand red (off-road) fuel has more Sulfur in it than green (high-way) fuel and the sulfer is used by farm equipment as a lub. I have been told not to use green fuel in my tractors because of that. But if you must use green fuel add 1qt of transmission to about 20 gal of fuel. "
wrong
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" The injection pump will give many hours of service. But anything can wear out. " Yep, anything can & will wear out. But you try to make it last longer
by taking care of what you have >>>>

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" At one time the quality of diesel fuel was determined in part by its sulfer content. Cat warned against the use of fuel with a high sulfer content, the sufer would cause all types of problems, such as mixing with water, which formed sulfuric acid. As time went by the demand for diesel fuel increased to the point where the overall sulfer content of most all diesel fuel was at a high level. To cambat the effect of sulfer higher quality of oil was developed. Several years ago the FED. GOV. mandated the use of a cleaner burning low sulfer fuel,there was not enough high quality fuel to go around so a new fuel which we know today as low sulfer was developed,I have seen it harm some rubber parts but seems to run fine in most tractors,it also tends to be cleaner than most HS fuel, cost more though. " No Comment, I was not invited to this meeting .........

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" Many truckers complained that the "new" fuel caused premature injector pump failure. Do not know if this is true or not. I have added upperlube additives to my diesel fuel for twenty years to help lubricate pump and injectors and will continue to do so. It is an inexpensive insurance on a large investment. [Earlier Post] is correct, if you don't have a regular additive a quart of auto trans fluid works just fine. Thats what the truckers were putting in their fuel. " I Agree

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" Sulphur, I understand your situation. Sulphur has its pluses and minuses. If any mositure is around it reacts with water and makes sulfuric acid. Very bad for the engine. You can get the old diesel fuel. The railroad lobbied the GOV. to keep it available. It can still be burned off Highway, on farm. The red may be high sulphur but not guaranteed. Diesel fuel is available with additive that increases the lubricity. The ATF solution seems ok. I use Dextron III not type F. Type F has stuff in it that make it engage clutch packs faster, its rougher. The estimate life of a Roosamaster is around 70,000-100,000 miles on a 6.2 L diesel PU. At 60 mph make just over a 1000 hrs. Keep your filter changed and keep the water out of the fuel. " I agree with Keep filter changed and KEEP WATER OUT OF FUEL

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" Use Stanadyne (manufacturer of Roosta-master pumps)"Performance Formula" additive and it will take care of lubricating the pump as well as a number of other possible problems. Generally have to go to a injection shop to get it. Or try www.dieselpage.com. After paying to rebuild a Roosta-Master twice, I use it religiously. Every diesel/injection mechanic I've talked to recommends it. " I Agree

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" I work for a Case Dealership in So. Calif. The green hiway diesel has a tax on it , the red does not... same fuelwith a dye. We have over 900 diesel engines in our fleet of Champ forklifts, Case tractors , and J.Deere powered Air compressors Perkins and Deutz are also in the fleet. WE use NO additives of any kind in any of the fuel, and many of the engines have over 3000 hours on the original pumps. Just keep the water out!! Change those Filters!!!!!! "
I Agree with the fuel is the same.

Very Much Disagree with the NO additive thingy. Some are lucky, but remember, their paycheck depends on you bringing your diesel machines in there to work on, sorry, but that is just the
dealership way. Keeps them in business !!!!

I Agree with Keeping the water out !!!

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This is just my 2 cents worth. :argue:
 
This is almost as interesting as the oil threads that recur endlessly on the motorcycle forums I visit. And almost as informative.
 
This is almost as interesting as the oil threads that recur endlessly on the motorcycle forums I visit. And almost as informative.

No....even more entertaining and informative is the "What kind of tire".......God bless......Dennis
 
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