First Impressions - RTV X1100c

You could always build a fire in the bed! :-) In Alaska the old pilots flying trap lines would take the oil out of their planes put it by the wood stove in the cabin at night then put it back in the motor in the morning!
 
I don't have an owners manual.
I should be ashamed for not remembering but what model and year do you have?

Here's a site with free kubota manuals but they don't have the RTV when I just looked.
http://www.kubotabooks.com/AutoIndex/index.php?dir=

IMHO, Kubota should always offer "owner's manuals" for free. Having a piece of equipment without at least an operator's manual seems like a liability to me.
 
You could always build a fire in the bed! :-) In Alaska the old pilots flying trap lines would take the oil out of their planes put it by the wood stove in the cabin at night then put it back in the motor in the morning!

I've read of that!!!!! I can't live like that....... :)
 
I should be ashamed for not remembering but what model and year do you have?

Here's a site with free kubota manuals but they don't have the RTV when I just looked.
http://www.kubotabooks.com/AutoIndex/index.php?dir=

IMHO, Kubota should always offer "owner's manuals" for free. Having a piece of equipment without at least an operator's manual seems like a liability to me.

2008 worksite 900.

I totally agree!!!!! I got my electronic WSM free. But I can't find an owners manual free. What's up with that!!!! :(
 
I have that Boss V Plow on my RTV1100. Get a good set of mud tires and put about (10) 50 lb bags of salt or sand in the bed. You won't need four wheel drive that much if you weight it correctly. I pushed 12" of snow with that thing and rarely ever put it in four wheel drive.

If the temps drop real cold like that I splash my tank with about a gallon of kerosene. Let it run about 5 minutes before shutting it down. You'll never have problems.

That shifting thing is stiff. My new X1100c that I just got is that way too. Everything I read on here says it'll loosen up over time. I sure hope so, because my older 1100 is like butter shifting. That being able to go from R to L range on one side is really nice for plowing.

I did find a source for kerosene in the modest size town that I live in, and it is a service station just down the road. I am going to pick up 5 gallons of kerosene, and top the fuel tank in the RTV up with that. The kerosene plus the Opti-Lube should improve the low temperature starting, although low temperatures this week are predicted to range from 11 F to 23 F, so there shouldn't be fuel waxing problems anyway.

I will also hope to pick up some bags of sand to take along to counterweight the plow.

Lee
 
It may be just me and I will admit I do not know everything about diesels but I would not add over a gallon of kerosene to a Kubota tank full of diesel. I do not know what all it will do. Does kerosene have the lubricating qualitys of Diesel fuel?? Normally I think No. ! diesel is used to prevent gelling in winter.
Bryce
 
It may be just me and I will admit I do not know everything about diesels but I would not add over a gallon of kerosene to a Kubota tank full of diesel. I do not know what all it will do. Does kerosene have the lubricating qualitys of Diesel fuel?? Normally I think No. ! diesel is used to prevent gelling in winter.
Bryce

But isn't number 1 diesel = kerosene? You could be right about lubricity due to additives and lack of sulfur etc.

My Rabbit diesel manual of many moons back suggested using kerosene or a gallon of gas in the fuel in the winter. I'm not recommending either however.

I just make sure I buy my winter diesel in November and add an antigel so I get no surprises early in the morning plowing snow.
 
If the injection pump on the bota is lubed by diesel not engine oil I would be careful adding K1 as it is a solvent.
Are you still having trouble with starting Colorado High?
 
But isn't number 1 diesel = kerosene? You could be right about lubricity due to additives and lack of sulfur etc.

My Rabbit diesel manual of many moons back suggested using kerosene or a gallon of gas in the fuel in the winter. I'm not recommending either however.

I just make sure I buy my winter diesel in November and add an antigel so I get no surprises early in the morning plowing snow.

I've read several discussions about diesel fuel mixing. Seems the Tier'd engines are more sensitive. It's not recommended to blend their fuel. Use an additive instead.

I'm not sure about the lubricity of #1 compared to #2. I do know you'll suffer some power loss when using blended fuel. Most "blenders" go for a 50/50 mix.
 
It may be just me and I will admit I do not know everything about diesels but I would not add over a gallon of kerosene to a Kubota tank full of diesel. I do not know what all it will do. Does kerosene have the lubricating qualitys of Diesel fuel?? Normally I think No. ! diesel is used to prevent gelling in winter.
Bryce

Bryce,

Diesel fuel #2 (DF-2) is standard diesel fuel. It consists of hydrocarbons ranging from C14 to C20. The 90% distillation point has a max. spec. of 640 F. The viscosity at 104 F must be in the range of 1.9 to 4.1 mm2/s. The lubricity spec. is a max. wear scar of 520 microns on the high frequency reciprocating rig (HFRR). (pg. 46 of https://www.chevron.com/-/media/chevron/operations/documents/diesel-fuel-tech-review.pdf)

Diesel fuel #1 (DF-1) is winter grade diesel fuel. It consists of hydrocarbons ranging from C10 to C16. The cut is essentially a kerosene, and is the same cut as used for Jet-A commercial aviation fuel, and for JP-8 which is similar to Jet-A but with the addition of corrosion inhibitors and anit-icing additives. The 90% distillation point has a max. spec. of 550 F. The viscosity at 104 F must be in the range of 1.3 to 2.4 mm2/s. The lubricity spec. is a max. wear scar of 520 microns on the high frequency reciprocating rig (HFRR). (Same ref. as above.)

So the two fuels have the same lubricity spec., but indeed there is more worry about lubricity for DF-1 than for DF-2. DF-2 is more viscous, has a higher boiling range (less volatile), and typically a significantly higher waxing temperature.

In order to get a single fuel to the front line, the military wanted to standardize on using JP-8 (a kerosene fuel) as its single fuel, replacing JP-4 (gasoline type fuel for jet engines), diesel fuel (DF-2) for its trucks and Humvees, and gasoline for its light-duty vehicles. Extensive tests were performed with JP-8 in diesel engines in support of this effort. They found that there were some lubricity problems (reduced life) in rotary distributor injection pumps used in the GM diesels in the Humvees. However, these tests were not at low temps. where DF-1 would normally be used, but at high temps. where the viscosity of JP-8 is low.

The Kubota diesel engines use in-line fuel injection pumps, and they are less sensitive to lubricity than are the rotary distributor pumps. My opinion is that it should be safe to use kerosene or DF-1 in the Kubota engine full strength at low temps., but it might be safer to make a 50%/50% blend of DF-1 (kerosene) / DF-2, and/or use a lubricity additive to help cover for potential shortcomings in the lubricity of the kerosene.

DF-1 and kerosene are similar in terms of the base fuel, but DF-1 has a lubricity spec., while kerosene does not. DF-1 may contain additives to meet its specs., while kerosene would not require those additives. I will use a lubricity additive with any of the fuels I use, and that additive also includes a cetane improver, a corrosion inhibitor, an anti-gel compound, and a deposit controller. This approach has some slight downside of possibly reacting with other additives that might already be in the fuel as delivered.
 
If the injection pump on the bota is lubed by diesel not engine oil I would be careful adding K1 as it is a solvent.
Are you still having trouble with starting Colorado High?

I have not been back to my property since those initial experiences, as I have been tied up with Christmas stuff. I will make one trip there before taking off to central Texas to do some honky-tonk dancing. I tried to talk my friend into us driving the Kubota from Colorado to Texas, since it already has a plow we don't need to worry about blizzards, but I think she has too much sense for that nonsense.
 
Bryce,

Diesel fuel #2 (DF-2) is standard diesel fuel. It consists of hydrocarbons ranging from C14 to C20. The 90% distillation point has a max. spec. of 640 F. The viscosity at 104 F must be in the range of 1.9 to 4.1 mm2/s. The lubricity spec. is a max. wear scar of 520 microns on the high frequency reciprocating rig (HFRR). (pg. 46 of https://www.chevron.com/-/media/chevron/operations/documents/diesel-fuel-tech-review.pdf)

Diesel fuel #1 (DF-1) is winter grade diesel fuel. It consists of hydrocarbons ranging from C10 to C16. The cut is essentially a kerosene, and is the same cut as used for Jet-A commercial aviation fuel, and for JP-8 which is similar to Jet-A but with the addition of corrosion inhibitors and anit-icing additives. The 90% distillation point has a max. spec. of 550 F. The viscosity at 104 F must be in the range of 1.3 to 2.4 mm2/s. The lubricity spec. is a max. wear scar of 520 microns on the high frequency reciprocating rig (HFRR). (Same ref. as above.)

So the two fuels have the same lubricity spec., but indeed there is more worry about lubricity for DF-1 than for DF-2. DF-2 is more viscous, has a higher boiling range (less volatile), and typically a significantly higher waxing temperature.

In order to get a single fuel to the front line, the military wanted to standardize on using JP-8 (a kerosene fuel) as its single fuel, replacing JP-4 (gasoline type fuel for jet engines), diesel fuel (DF-2) for its trucks and Humvees, and gasoline for its light-duty vehicles. Extensive tests were performed with JP-8 in diesel engines in support of this effort. They found that there were some lubricity problems (reduced life) in rotary distributor injection pumps used in the GM diesels in the Humvees. However, these tests were not at low temps. where DF-1 would normally be used, but at high temps. where the viscosity of JP-8 is low.

The Kubota diesel engines use in-line fuel injection pumps, and they are less sensitive to lubricity than are the rotary distributor pumps. My opinion is that it should be safe to use kerosene or DF-1 in the Kubota engine full strength at low temps., but it might be safer to make a 50%/50% blend of DF-1 (kerosene) / DF-2, and/or use a lubricity additive to help cover for potential shortcomings in the lubricity of the kerosene.

DF-1 and kerosene are similar in terms of the base fuel, but DF-1 has a lubricity spec., while kerosene does not. DF-1 may contain additives to meet its specs., while kerosene would not require those additives. I will use a lubricity additive with any of the fuels I use, and that additive also includes a cetane improver, a corrosion inhibitor, an anti-gel compound, and a deposit controller. This approach has some slight downside of possibly reacting with other additives that might already be in the fuel as delivered.
Most of this went way over my head. That said, I have hundreds of gallons of kero laying around doing nothing so I guess I'll start mixing some of it in with the diesel. Is it a no-no to use the kero mix in the summer? I know it has more of a need in the winter due to freezing but does it hurt anything running it year-around?
 
Most of this went way over my head. That said, I have hundreds of gallons of kero laying around doing nothing so I guess I'll start mixing some of it in with the diesel. Is it a no-no to use the kero mix in the summer? I know it has more of a need in the winter due to freezing but does it hurt anything running it year-around?

I would think that it would be OK to blend kerosene at 50% in the winter, and 20% the rest of the year if the kerosene is fresh enough. Diesel fuels and kerosene can age with the fuel oxidizing and forming deposits, and also growing biologicals. You might use an additive for deposit control and for lubricity improvement. The military uses additives in JP-8 to improve the storage stability since the fuel can sit around in some vehicles for quite a while. This is only my opinion, and I am not familiar engine tests with Kubota D1105 engines using kerosene fuels that would support this.
 
Thanks. :)

My diesel has been treated with Power Service. I guess it would be considered old fuel at this point (probably getting close to 10 years) but it burns like new as it has been treated and fully climate controlled at temps below 70°. I don't think I've put any treatment in the kero but it's #1 kero of the same age and kept in same controlled environment. I'll start at 25% and work it up or down from there and see what happens.
 
hard starting

I would go with block heater keep it plugged in . Mine starts hard also when cold.I don't know if it has glow plugs or a grid heater if it has a grid heater it will not warm the fuel mixture until cranked.A grid heater only warms intake air. joe
 
I was looking over the manual for my 2016 RTV X1100c, and for fueling it says:
No. 2 diesel fuel if temps are above 14 F
No. 1 diesel fuel if temps are below 14 F

From the previous discussion, No. 1 diesel fuel (DF-1) is kerosene with any additives that might be required to meet the specs., maybe especially a lubricity improver. In my case, the average low temp in January is 2 F, the average high is 34 F, so a 50% blend of DF-2 and kerosene looks appropriate. The diesel fuel at the pump varies with time of year, so fresh diesel fuel at cold locations in the winter should already be blended with some DF-1 (kerosene). Fuel pumped earlier in the fall should be mostly DF-2.
 
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