.......................................................................................................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm sorry to learn about the trouble that rangerdave faced with his tractor. I own myself a couple Antonio Carraro's and I'm about to buy the third one still this year. The first one I've bought three years ago, which is a TRG with 85HP. By now it shows 3200 hrs and I had no major problems. The second one was a TGF which I worked harder with. Unfortunately I got an older not updated version and the pto shaft quit just recently after 3000hrs. I was told that the "new" TGF's have already an update where the lifetime was very much extended! Even though the tractor was out of warranty, my dealer and Antonio Carraro took care of the problem and repaired the tractor at no cost installing even the update!
I could not expect better service from anyone of the majors. The new John Deere is actually a Goldoni, which some of my friends had and faced nothing but trouble!
I bought the Antonio's after I have seen them working at one of the major orchard operations in Washington. I think buy now they run 50+ Antonio Carraro's and keep buying replacing their Deere's just like other orchards in Washington.
I can only recommend the Antonio Carraro tractors since you won't find anything similar in the industry. I would not go back to a standard Deere or Kubota tractor as they just aren't safe if you have some steeper ground and won't pull nearly as the Carraro will. Also the parts support seems to be great now. Everything I needed so far I got from my dealer, either right away or next day!
Don't know if rangerdave faced the problem because of the loader or maybe just because of no dealer support. However, I understand and appreciate the design of the tractor, which will do more for me than any other tractor but I also understand that it's not a loader tractor because of the oscilation, great feature, makes really the difference. So in other words, you can't compare loader capacities with standard tractors. Also the rear lifting capacity has nothing to do with a lifting capacity of a front loader. That should be too obvious for anybody who's got at least some technical knowledge.
I also understand he bought the tractor in California. Long ways to VT!!!! Why did he not buy in the Northeast??
As someone that has been in business for 23 years I would suggest that the best approach would be for the company to do the honorable thing and send you the parts to fix the tractor, they should also send out a factory tech to do the work.
It would also be worth its weight in gold in terms of PR to send you a gift certificate for two to the best restaurant in town.
The dealer noted that almost all of the major bolts holding the housings together were not tight and 3 were missing.
If this is the case then it is not a problem with the machine and would not be covered under the warranty. It is not a defect.the bolts must have rattled out during the 4+ Hr trip.
Oh yes... I am not familiar with the therm "OP".... I have also seen "IMHO" somewhere too... Can anyone explain???
On a side note... If what I have heard is true, a few people have already had their tractors break in half and Antonio Carraro is unveiling their 3rd version of a stronger tractor housing center section in Europe this coming year... Which would suggest that they are aware of some sort of center housing section issue... why change the design if the first one or two were adequate???
I don't blame some folks for playing devil's advocate... If they have never had a problem, good for them. They were blessed with a good machine and quality service... I've witnessed how some people beat and neglect their machines and then blame the machine!!!
I'm more of an optimistic pessimist... I expect the worst and am pleasantly surprised when good things happen
I totally agree with Mith! I take my tractor to my dealer according to the maintenance schedule. Actually I have to because otherwise I risk to lose warranty coverage according to my dealer! But also look closely at the maintenance schedule as it does demand quite a number of regular checks, like on any type of equipment. My brother, who studied engineering is pretty good at this though. I just bought my third AC tractor this week and they even include a 4 year/4000hr warranty now.
From earlier posts in this thread I think we can take that as fact, even the OP seemed to agree that they had.I don't buy the bolts just worked loose
I still think Quincy gave the best advice earlier in the thread, trying to damage the manufacturers reputation by posting a one sided story on all the forums you can find isn't going to help the case IMO. Sorry to be so blunt about it.